ENOUGH. WebThere have been numerous reports of scarves. Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered in Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. A poster on Reddit works at an Indiana auto plant and tipped a guy who worked at the plant. The story in the video (Libertys father fingered two meth dealers and this was retribution) makes more sense.and would account for the positioning of the bodies (sexual/religious) as a huge fuck you to the father and the community as a whole. Kind of odd that hed include the detail that he didnt know who would have called in a tip about him. It was emphasized that the police department felt like the perpetrator was present at the briefing. While police continue their search for the Delphi killer, people across the country have been coming up with their own theories about who is responsible. I dearly hope they find the shitbag who did this and that there's a hell waiting for him at the end of the line. But often decades go by until the perp is caught, do more to luck and happenstance than investigation. Just two years older than Delphi, she considered him her protector in dealing with the kids in West Chester, Lawrence said. If Cheyenne did indeed call 911, the tape should be released. If true, they'd be calling out to him on the bridge. Small town or not, this is the 21st century. What really strikes me, though, is the photos from the Facebook account. OP/R21 the thought of there being 40 minutes of audio/video footage is truly gut-wrenching to even imagine. Maybe they are close to getting this creep. The timing of the girls recording, their death and the finding of their bodies also meant the killer acted quickly which likely means he had a confidence in surroundings. February 13, 2017. R428 That does NOT look like a young guy. Equally bizarre was Robert Ives using the term non-secular signatures but now I cant find where and when he said it or even if he did. I still don't understand how or why they complied with this guy's orders unless he had a weapon. As of February, Leazenby said, investigators have received more than 50,000 tips. Discover Delphi Lawrence's Biography, Game; Delphi Lawrence. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. Way back at the start (when I thought this would be satisfying to follow cuz it would be solved fast) there was online talk of shunned Amish communities around Delphi that seemed to have some promise . did that go anywhere? Did the transcripts get leaked on purpose in the hopes someone would rat out the dad? While police continue their search for the Delphi killer, people across the country have been coming up with their own theories about who is responsible. Indiana State Police later revealed that the second sketch, released more than two years after the girls were killed, was actually the first sketch they had drawn up. I think he planned to but they ran and he killed them in anger. [R460], I don't understand this either: "Why would the Delphi sheriff say that people will be shocked when they find out the identity of the killer." But even if he is connected to local police, that wouldnt stop the FBI from moving in on him, right? Enough"? R144, they documentary indicated that many were investigated and interviewed. R435, it could also speak to the outfits for that area. I lived near the Platte Canyon High School tragedy. Absolutely not. Yes, this IS a very interesting thought/comment. I found it odd to address two young girls as guys. Also, the man in the video did seem confident in directing two strangers down the hill. Someone in law enforcement would have had practice in directing people on what todo, where to go. I will listen to the True Crime Garage podcast. No matter how distant, do you have the man walking on the bridge, videoed by Libby, on any other video? Convened a new task force that had its own bldg and then this. Oh thank you R226, R227! [quote] Libertys father fingered two meth dealers. I cant imagine being a parent and not knowing when your child is or what your childs last moments were like. I guess its because it happened in broad daylight, out in the open. Any neckbeard will do. Was video collected throughout Delphi from Feb. 13, 2017 including video from the building across from the abandoned CPS building (The Andersons)? That sketch, which appears to be of an entirely different person, is now believed to be the main person of interest in the murders of Libby and Abby. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. Sheriff Leazenby told RTV6 that evening that they had no reason to believe the girls were in danger. Maybe I met him at Dairy Queen or the gas station.". She appeared as Vera Charles in various touring productions of Mame, opposite such stars as SusanHayward, CelesteHolm, AnnSothern, and JulietProwse playing the lead role (Mame Dennis). He thanks you for reading his content. Libby Germans older sister, Kelsi, praised the app. Although it has been three long years since that warm February day, Indiana State Police say they still receive new tips about Abby and Libbys murders almost daily. View popular celebrities life details, birth signs and real ages. On Monday, police announced that Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, was arrested and charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. His family did not speak of the circumstances surrounding Delphis murder, and signs of her had been removed from the familys home on Chestnut Street. Delphi Lawrence died at the age of 70 years. Keeping track of those tips is a major undertaking. R500 That's definitely weird. A witness came forward and described a car parked in a small lot near one of the trail exits for a few hours on the day of the murder. Abigail Williams and Liberty German went missing while walking on a trail near the Monon High Bridge in Delphi on Feb. 13, 2017. Some people are suspecting his creepy dad and the pressure on him is to turn his dad in. Doug Carter read a few things during the press conference that seemed to come straight from a profiler, designed fuck with the killer's mind. I dont feel strongly one way or the other, but I dont think its a certainty that they or someone close to them didnt know him. This is why I question that persons credibility. i would think there would be some DNA or something from crime scene. It's creepy but it's not of one of the victims. I hope he is the one who did this. In 1966, she moved to the United States where she began to appear in films and television, and settled there. I mean, not knowing the howmeans any awful thing you think of, if that makes sense. I always thought this was lucky-psycho related. Also, the way he was standing in one picture was almost exactly the same stance as BG. The guy on the video has nothing to do with the crime, but the cops think he does. Wasn't the sister was the last person to see them and drove them there? Anyone following this case (and this thread) should check out the podcast: Murder Sheet. He was asked a number of questions from readers of local newspaper The Carroll County Comet, but had to decline many of them for much the same reasons Paul Holes indicated. A virtual walkthrough of the scene of the Delphi murders provides a look at how the suspect likely approached Abby Williams and Libby German. Im not sure how that fits with religious iconography. Delphi Bridge murder victims Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were found to have lost a large amount of blood when discovered dead close to an They have not released any pictures of the Delphi murders scene. R96 I thought the SAME thing and then felt guilty for it! Unless there was something incredibly bizarre about the crime scene, how do you determine something is a signature unless you're comparing it to another crime scene where the same things were seen? I wonder who called him as a tip and why? There are about 6 guys who internet sleuths have considered as suspects who look like the police sketch. All they have is a few words and a blurry image. I am guessing they were staged Pieta-like. (Midday/midweek). Stay away from places like this. I think its more likely someone who knows the area (truck driver? I cant wait for this guy to get caught. I always felt that the case would be solved by him getting caught committing another kidnapping/murder. [quote] Recent court documents filed refer to providing defense counsel for Keegan Kline an interview between his client and . The first is a grainy image of a man walking towards the girls along one of the trails. I hadnt know about the Brooks case but will read about it. Also praying that this monster is removed from society. Sometimes a hatchet is mentioned as being the murder weapon. And what if the BG was wearing some kind of disguise? I mentioned it on that thread. On sub-Reddit DelphiIsTheDays Timeline there is a post asserting fellow student Cheyenne said on FB she heard screaming and called 911. Who knows if that is true. When LE speaks of a religious aspect to the poses, I think it could be that Libby was posed to look like she had been crucified with blood coming from her hands and the from the wound that the stake made in her abdomen. My theory is that it was catfishing through Snapchat to abuse Libby. What good is it if you haven't done your investigation so that you can get a conviction. Or at the very least, they know because of how different you are since the murders," he said. Hello. This fat guy wouldn't surprise anyone. I want to know more about what kind of DNA they have and if it could get the killer. The girls' causes of death have never been disclosed and their killer has never been found. A sketch is a sketch and thats really important for everybody to understand," Carter said. The pair of eighth-graders spent the afternoon posting photos of their journey on Facebook. R67 You have to wonder what that one girl did to "deserve" that brunt of the attack? The victim type is essential to their rape, kill fantasy. I'm not sure that's true, when the obituaries were published, one girl's date of death was the day after the other girl's, indicating that they must have known one died before midnight and one after, some time apart. As we were leaving the room, he said, OK. I wonder if the killer was law enforcement? R89- How long until the girls were found? We have estimated Delphi Lawrence's net worth, money, salary, income, and assets. She was nominated for a 1974 Joseph Jefferson Award for Best Actress in a Principal Role for her performance in "Separate Tables", at the Ivanhoe Theatre in Chicago, Illinois. These would later be some of the only clues the police had at their disposal, and the enigmatic, blurred Delphi murders video continues to haunt the internet. Theyd have to have enough evidence to support a conviction if theyre going to charge him. Someone in the comments did an overlay showing that it pretty much matches Libby's photo. Delphi Lawrence's net worth The As for the FBI, are they even involved? I think theres one piece. It was news. "We've likely interviewed you or someone close to you.". Paul Holes, the retired homicide and cold case investigator who helped bring about an arrest in the Golden State Killer case, has also spoken extensively on the issue, offering his own theories for why police have been stingy with information, including the Delphi murders autopsy report. Between the similar looks and the fact of his crime being almost identical to the Delphi murders, I really feel he is the killer. The process is always working, comparing tips received about the Delphi murders with hundreds of other cases and tips. The sheriff also had notable body language that could be interpreted as guilt or fear. Does LE already know who it is? Apparently LE was on them early on since he was having all these interactions with Libby. All we have is what little knowledge we have learned from previous serial killers. Of course they are updated. Chadwell's more in shape. Abby responds, "Hmmm." If I hadnt let him take her home, she would probably be alive today.. Hes a little bit too skinny to look like bridge guy but I can kind of see it. It ties into Libby's dad informing on the Delphi meth heads in order to get a reduced sentence for stealing a big farm tank that was full of a chemical you need to make meth. R392 I've clearly said that the tattoo could be any of the 3 women - Libby, Linda Blair in The Exorcist or his mother. I suspect youre right R197, but no one should EVER assume gender. It's currently unclear whether police believe the two girls met with the creator of the account. At the time, the suspect was described as a white man between 5-feet 6-inches tall and 5-feet 10-inches tall, weighing 180 to 220 pounds with reddish brown hair and an unknown eye color. What purpose would that serve if not to intentionally apply psychological pressure, via the destruction of his fantasy, which might lead to a slip-up? I never wanted children and dont even like them but this case really bothers me. Thinking about what their final moments alive were like is truly upsetting. However, Bluestine said some features of the case made it subject for greater inquiry. My first thought was he is posing over a grave, like The Moors murderers. Q. Investigators withhold evidence from the public all the time to help determine if someone they suspect is actually guilty. Have they interviewed Pastor Davey? Knives, guns, ect. R245 could be right. That Robert Lindsay guy requested me on Facebook just after the murders because I commented in a group about the girls. Of course I say it could, but all of this is only a guess. Is he the guy here continually saying "No way it's him. The girls' causes of death have never been disclosed and their killer has never been found. We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know that one day, you will.. A copy of Lawrence's death certificate showed the cause of death was "alcoholic liver disease". The disclosure ended speculation that Lawrence, whose body was found by her husband, Laurie Sautereau, at their home in Fulham, west London, on Saturday, had committed suicide. This goes along with the theory they know who it is. There is a similarity in the way they speak. So that's why it can be misleading about the age of the person in the girl's videos. (R48) On reddit a women is claiming to have images of one little girl, deceased of course. The tattoo is creepy because the blank/empty show depersonalization, yet the tears (or blood) indicate suffering. The Daily Fail has an article posted today that has a suspect being investigated. I don't think the cops have a clue who this guy is. The girl on Facebook who posted that she knew the killer and the details and name of the killer has deleted the comments. If they don't have solid DNA evidence or similar which I'm assuming they don't, given that they can't rule this guy in or out, it could be very hard to prove who killed the girls. The suspect appears to be older. Why doesn't this redditer just say what it is in summary? "After we heard that he was local, it became more of an idea that I might have talked to him. I'm not sure how I feel. R26 the FBI are involved, yeah. One of my priorities is always going out to the scene locations whether it be a homicide scene or an abduction location so I can get that three-dimensional spatial aspect. R266-- I agree, that IS him. The pouch/fanny pack that the Bridge Guy was wearing may have been a deer kill kit that contained a knife and other things. Liberty Libby German and Abigail Abby Williams were best friends who went everywhere together. our privacy/terms or if you just want to see the damn There were no eyewitnesses to the crime and little forensic evidence for the jurors to consider. Discover today's celebrity birthdays and explore famous people who share your birthday. Kelly's room was less than 10' X 10', whoever entered immediately saw the blue eyes glistening at them from a bloody cut-up corpse. Id love to have seen the sheriff photographed in the same position as the man in the photograph on the bridge and see if the images aligned. Actress. R473 The Sheriff said that there are 3-4 people that they believe could be the killer(s) and that it changes. While interesting, I found it almost unwatchable due to the poor sound editing. You have all of the money at the point of sale. There was an excerpt of an interview with the Anthony shots guy. I haven't really followed this case, but I figured the a-hole murderer probably put one girl's face in the exposed crotch of the other girl. I WONDER why we could think this guy might possibly have been involved. He deserves life in prison for what he did to the 9 yr old girl, regardless of guilt for the Delphi murders. The local police say the case is still active. She is currently single. I truly thought this was a crime of opportunity. Most serial killers have a "type" of victim that they fantasize about about. Take your conspiracies back to reddit. !| Case Discussion & FACT CHECKS!). There's also differing tales on the recording. Police documents seen by The Sun, which are heavily redacted, do not make any mention of the Delphi case but do link him to the anthony_shots social media account. and I'm leaving the joking behind. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. There is a rumor that one of the girls had been bit by a dog. i was wondering about this as well. But I waiver between about 6 different POIs. Lawrence, who is now 51 and lives in Wyndmoor, Montgomery County, said he had made approaches to see Garnett and talk about the case. It's this Chadwell dude to a "T". Another key piece of the puzzle that investigators have released is that they believe the man who murdered Libby and Abby was either from Delphi or was familiar with Delphi either because he works there or has other connections. The comic book fan base world is quite homophobic, yes? Just let us hear it. That can happen and then it's usually a big sum. Is he the guy here continually saying "No way it's him. As her family grew frustrated with the lack of developments in the case, Liberty's older sister Kelsi German revealed in February 2020 that she is studying forensic science in the hope of one-day helping to solve who killed her sister. nothing left behind in a sexual assault) or even dog DNA, since one victim was possibly bitten by a dog at some point. R203 I saw that too, BUT he isnt the only person who suspects this dude. The sheriff himself stated that even he was reported by at least three people (he didnt know who) and was therefore questioned/interviewed. At least this case isnt 30 years old like some others and they solve it. (The son is currently in prison for watching and downloading children being sexually abused -- sorry I can't use the word "porn" with regard to children). I mean, look at the guy in the thread about the PA murder-suicide and that was just about snow dumping! I am presuming the girl who had more physical trauma was Libby, since she was older and bigger than Abigail, and thus probably more likely to put up a fight or try to cause a scene. The context surrounding the images, which were stills from a moving video, has never been given. Is this case the result of two stupid young girls who didn't get the FUCK out of dodge when they had the chance OR a bumbling homicide department? That little girl came as close to death as is possible without dying. Period. Did this have something to do with the murders? And another year slips by.. His clothes make him appear to be in his 40s. R45 I think they crossed at a shallow point? Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in London, United Kingdom. Kids should be allowed to have some adventures. It is frustrating to me that the real JTR was never revealed because it would be so interesting to know about his childhood and what makes a person so very sick. R13 if ever someone deserved a kick in the cuntbonesend him flying right off that bridge. He has killed before. Please listen to it very, very carefully.". I think this thread has a virus or something? God, he just looks too much like the sketch. HE WALKED SLOW ON THE BRIDGE!). Trump supporters galore; and more than their share of criminal element. Its like Holden Caulfield observed, people always ruin things. Those trails at probably really pretty and fun for teens to hang out on (instead of being at home on their phones) but this asshole had to ruin that. His eyes are chilling. Also, highly probable phone got bumped during violence that caused it to stop recording. Very interesting. I've never understood why the girls didn't call 911. Although the science of DNA was largely unknown in 1972, when Garnett was tried, there is the possibility that tests could be done now. And even if it was payback for something drug related, it would be a clean execution. it would have been a thrilling adventure. I cannot see someone closely involved in the investigation or to law enforcement revealing info that could in any way jeopardize the case. Someone dropped them off there too, so whoever did was obviously ok with them walking across a rickety, corroding bridge alone. After this look at the latest updates on the Delphi murders, read about six grisly cases that remain unsolved and the chilling story of Myra Hindley and the Moors murders. Acc to the family that all happened last minute. If they had met up with more people, he would have aborted. He targeted only one of them, imo. For the sake of argument, lets say they didnt know him. They've said for years everyone there knows who did it, but it's never come out. People have tweeted at her about it and she's only liking comments. But, I couldn't tell you much more than that. Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. Diabolical. The cops could have taken the images and recording from the cloud. Also they provided the time stamps of the video, which correlates with the time that Libby uploaded the pictures. The following are some of the more famous murderers and how long it took police to catch them: Golden State Killer, James DeAngelo: 32 years, Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway: 19 years, John Cooper, Pembrokeshire Murders: 25 years. They are withholding info for a reason. Those trails are where kids went. Little by little, he broached the subject with relatives who had previously remained silent about the death. I use WIKI 2 every day and almost forgot how the original Wikipedia looks like. "'Everybody sees a person differently. Also, if you listen closely to the recording, it sounds like you hear the Guys and then one of the girls yelling something. I dont believe the abortion by murder story. My impression just from the photo and his recording is that hes middle aged, has a fairly decent job, knew what he was doing and was comfortable, has pretty good taste in clothes, not a slob, people wouldnt suspect him, has a boat. This whole story gives me chills. In a news release, the Indiana State Police said the creator of the profile used their contrived opulence while communicating with underage girls to "solicit nude images, obtain their addresses, and attempt to meet them.". Garnett testified that Delphi had come to his home after learning her parents were angry with her for leaving her brothers and going to a party. As someone who has known drug dealers, there are no owsies in that world. It's unclear now whether Kline is being investigated as a suspect in the case. And interestingly he is web savvy. Also, this trail has spotty cell tower reception. Yeah creepy. Did anyone see the picture of a man with a standing next to a vehicle that matched a witness report? If someone murdered my kid, I would be desperate too. Like, we're doing this cool thing tomorrow afternoon. She was stabbed in a neck artery and her heart. According to Leigh Kerr there was a religious aspect to the crime scene and the bodies were staged. And yes, their deaths were violent. I have to read a little and then back off for awhile. R320--- I had forgotten about that murder, thank you. Why do you think the police have declined to publicly disclose how the girls died? I think that guy (who has obviously gained a lot of weight since some of them were taken) could very easily be the killer. It wasn't too long ago and I wonder if that corresponds with the timing of this revelation, This will not be the guy- he is too fat- the guy in the video is far thinner than his baggy clothes make him look (And clearly has weaponry in his shirt), I agree R145, but apparently there are pics of him from 2017 where he's thinner (haven't seen them yet). But then they lawyer up and more harm is often done. They seem to show a person leaning against a tree? Tell you what. The guy is a creep. The parents did a piss poor job of supervising their kids. Their intuition , I believe. The bereaved older sister said she has also listened to the audio clip captured by Liberty "about a million times. I only found about the questions after the noon deadline but not sure what I would ask. A rare development in the case was shared by cops earlier this week when they announced they were hunting for the creator of a bogus social media profile that was grooming underage girls and attempting to meet with them. I dunno. I have not been able to post a link for 2 days or I would be happy to. The area around the Monon High was searched for It's been nearly five years. R207 Thats my thought. Police, including West Chester Detective Carl Durnell, and Chester County Detectives Frank Judge and L. Dyer Henley, had focused their attentions on Garnett soon after Delphis body was found in the creek on April 4, 1971, a month after her disappearance. Sadly, this will die as a cold case. You can find youtubes of the bridge and it makes you understand what it was really like. Looks like a socio. DELPHI Three years ago, two young girls went for a walk. What a tragic shame. The bogus account used images of a known male model and portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning multiple sports cars. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Lawrence says he has begun asking questions about his sisters murder and the case against Garnett in order to learn the truth about what happened after so many years of being kept in the dark about the matter. False confessions can be quickly discounted if they state a false COD. One possibility: The weapon, if there was one, has been determined to be something unusual, so they're waiting for that to show up in a tip. In the past three years, only one person of interest has ever been named. It is only when we mature into mid to late teens that the concept of making our own decisions develop. In cases where there were found to have been wrongful convictions, she said, 51 percent involved detailed, but false, confession. The bodies were moved and put into poses at the location where they were discovered. A man was walking toward them, wearing jeans, a hoodie, and a coat, with his hands in his pockets. R414, you dont think that the police are keeping the family informed? I don't SEE any similarities b/t Chadwell and the suspect. WebJust to remind you guys, that the 'cause of death' is not the same as the 'mode of death'. I hope the prisoners pull a Dalmer on his ass and beat him to death. Something not a lot of people get is that the man in the video was walking like an old guy because it was a fairly dangerous bridge with rotting wood, so you'd have to carefully step on each plank and make sure it wasn't a rotted one too. I dont think you could stop yourself from screaming if threatened with a gun. The girls had noticed the pervy guy earlier when they later noticed him following them across the abandoned train trestle. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. 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