I suspect that all of this is true, and more. The whole cycle, from start to implosion and disbanding the church, was about five years. I can completely understand why Dee wouldnt want people here to be dragging stuff out and speculating about a teenage boy. elastigirl: i take no more stock in what paul thinks than i do in what i think. Im amazed to find Im not alone on this. The apostles counted that an honor. Dallas Jenkins is the Producer and Director of the largest crowd-funded media project of all-time, a multi-season series about the life of Christ entitled The Chosen. i mean, why does it matter, any more than what elastigirl thinks, or what Max thinks, or what any of the other cast characters thinks? This is even more understandable in our world of online abuse. It just means there was (and is) nothing in that church resembling a true church. now if only you could do it without whining. One can attempt to form a very egalitarian group where no one is in charge, but it only works until a dysfunctional person makes a power grab. By the end of the first century there are already offices of bishop, priest, and deacon. Movies Popular Now Playing Upcoming Top Rated TV Shows Popular Airing Today On TV Top Rated People i have an observation: i know many people who dont subscribe to christianity, yet are the most excellent human beings. It has reference to one who is seen as a care giver, or guardian for the church. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents. Were more or less on the same page, it sounds like. . Harvest Christian Fellowship is a megachurch in Riverside, California. Truly hope you get peace and joy soon. Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. By the end of the first century there are already offices of bishop, priest, and deacon. I didnt want these points to go unmade. Id never seen the movie and still havent, but it was some pretty shocking stuff for a guy who hadnt seen a horror movie since the 1980s. What we have is countless people cutting him some slack . As the author of one of the synoptic gospels, the compiler of early acts of the original Apostles, and the traveling companion of Paul, wouldnt he be the one mostly responsible for letting Paul get away with it? I just wonder how much of my tithes went to support their gambling problem. Pre-1970 power (denominational competition for theological control of the Body of Christ), Post-1970 money (mega-madness begins, 6-figure salaries, limelight, mansions, jets). It just completely sets things up for abusive situations. Churches will line up for this. Posted on September 7, 1997 by admin EPISKOPOS, translated in English is an overseer or a bishop. Having the equipment available to produce, record, and stream the services completely online, Harvest was able to continue to preach Gods Word unapologetically and worship unashamedly. When God leaves, it always becomes about something elseits amazing. I mean, everyone thought Willow Creek was that church. Jesus held onto me and he will hold onto you. Are we any better? Certainly! (ive mentioned my thoughts on this many times here & there at TWW, so apologies to one and all for yet another one. A narcissist is very good at manipulating people, and very patient. Nice list. I am not suggesting that this is or is not the way Jesus intended for his church. Who started Harvest Bible Chapel? You chose to serve in a church with incredibly stupid , unbiblical and mean people in charge. He made his directing debut with the short film Clich, and his next short film, Midnight Clear, starring Stephen Baldwin, won a Crystal Heart Award from the Heartland Film Festival. Well played. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. Maybe we should have been, and still should be, picketing in front of Driscolls new church, handing out pamphlets including some of his more famous woman-degrading statements? Unless it was a danger to someone. Give them what they want in the present, and they wont care about the past. God bless your father-in-law. You also have no idea what else is happening. We praise God as many heard the Good News that weekend. In a Good Way. You might find people here are a lot more willing to retract and set things right than the crowd youve run with. I adhere to the never-say-never adage but cant even remotely imagine EVER being involved with a church again. Many parents contacted the school about it, and it was one of the first of many, many issues that arose there. We now see, via ECFA, that these massive personal perks were evidently excluded from their comp review, meaning James has likely been under reporting his income to the IRS by hundreds of thousands a year. Dallas has at long last come out, along with a long list of other former top Harvest leadrs. Where is Matt Chandler Pastor? Your apoplectic friend needs to go read the Bible, maybe one of those verses the mega preachers who demand your trust intentionally ignore or havent read themselves, like this one: Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. Psalms 146:3, Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe. Proverbs 29:25, Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. so, if as Max says, if we do not get senile, or too bitter or cynical, our life experinces can at least put current disasters in perspective. where leaders humbly look around for those whom they can help, trying to be the last, not the first, putting their reputations, careers, and lives on the line if necessary be a spiritual failure, Consider the following Scriptures: For a bishop [EPISKOPOS] must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money. (Titus 1:7), Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops [EPISKOPOS] and deacons (Philippians 1:1). But first you must go before your brother in It is time people reclaimed their role as the new priesthood, with no need for interceders, and kicked the false, self-serving, spiritually abusive charlatans to the curb, whether they call themselves elders, pastors, priests or Grand Poobahs. Once you step out of that or can no longer take part, the machine moves on without you. Of course, he wasnt qualified for either so I guess that didnt matter. A verse comes to mind Beware of Alexander the Coppersmith he has done us much harm., http://thewartburgwatch.com/tww2/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Dallas-Jenkins-1.pdf. Milholland did this exact same thing at his former church, Hope Church in Memphis. LLS, honest question in all of these elder rule setups Ive ever seen, there is no mechanism at all for pew peons to do as you note and hold elders accountable for anything. I have my faith left, but so much that I thought was real about my faith has been shaken off. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. Or maybe its the era of the Judges, when every man did what was right in his own sight.. If a church tries to appoint elders who dont meet the qualifications for eldershipthe church dies. Not even fit to be chair of my department at Average State U. The time for half measures is over. Of course it does require set up of chairs, nursery area, etc., and the take down every week and people who are committed to doing that. TS00: sometimes I feel pretty alone in this wilderness. How you understand the word? Ken F (aka Tweed): Rather, it appears that the early church looked much more Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Anglican than low-church protestant. Friend: I am there; have been close to 8-years now. Every single person there loves Harvest so much that they cant leave?? No self-declared elders have authority over anyone who does not put their voluntary and continued trust in them. Many are passionate about their cause, but it is far too often found to be a misplaced passion. Anonymity is not the same thing as cowardice, but thanks so much for playing that tired old game. I mean, how could you be labeled Christian without giving Jesus a little bit of credit?! Im convinced that an antinomian spirit has taken control of some ministries, where church leaders feel they have been released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law. The Riverside-based Harvest Christian Fellowship will be joining the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant body that has about 15 million members.The Rev. The only reason you dont want exposure is because you dont want damage to your film career. That included giving James $20K-$30K a MONTH to spend just on T&E. 37 were here. Do you mean it was given to those elders who assisted in helping JMac continue on with his antics? Someone even mentioned an anti-Christ component here, which I agree with. Im certainly not an Apostle chosen by the hand of Jesus as Paul was nor a prophet, or a son of a prophet. I can understand your desire not to become a public figure. Posted in Theology | Tagged Alpha and Omega, Comparing Myself to Others, Dallas Jenkins, Gavin Stone, God's Sovereignty, God's Will Plan and Priorities, Harvest Bible Chapel, Vertical Church Films | 7 Comments. He produced the independent feature "Hometown Legend" at the age of 25 and shepherded it to distribution by Warner Brothers. At their final congregational meeting, they became a Harvest Bible Chapelgifting their building to us. When I first started reading your comment I thought it was serious and that I would have to redact the tweet. They have acted like they dont believe that with no fear of God but payday is coming someday when they stand before their Creator. No christain organization should have the artibutes that we are reading about, and that Mr Jenkins letter validates. ANYONE who is still in that place who is not a child or a new believer is complicit and participated in shunning all who left. If even one little thing God has brought me through can help someone else, I am exceeding glad. It was leaked. And I think (as an atheist heathen) that what people really need is community, not so much the religious stuff. Dallas, you have a lot to learn about life, and perhaps a lot to learn about the One Who spoke of whispers in the inner rooms being shouted from rooftops. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? 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