with South Wales Police has recently conceded that it CANNOT be categorically stated that Harold Jones has been ruled out completely as Muriels killer. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. Also that they likely watched Muriel and knew her route. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Advertisement. The comments below have not been moderated. A much loved, very kind and thoughtful person who did great things for people but never expected anything in return. [8], Last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11, List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom, "Marwolaeth merch yn parhau'n ddirgelwch", "The Muriel Drinkwater case: can they crack the coldest murder case? 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. He died at that address in 1971. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. . [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. It is frustrating that the Wales Online story of Saturday 7 November states the police have D.N.A. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. However, a lack of hard evidence would later see him freed. Muriel Drinkwater was born on January 12, 1906 in New York . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[2]='LNAME';ftypes[2]='text';fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[3]='ADDRESS';ftypes[3]='address';fnames[4]='PHONE';ftypes[4]='phone';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Liked it? Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? They also announced in May 2019 that Abertillery double child killer Harold Jones had also been cleared of Muriels murder. Video, 00:01:00, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . There is little doubt that Muriels murderer was lying in wait, just counting the minutes until he could commit his heinous crime. More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. The case, which became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. More here: https://bit.ly/WoodlawnJaneDoe. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. . However, the BBC documentary Darklands shown in November 2020 identified Ronald Harries who murdered his aunt and uncle as Muriels killer, and a cousin of Harries was shown in the documentary and was expected to give DNA to prove or disprove the theory.. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. As you know it is not possible to prove whether Harold Jones was Muriels killer by D.N.A testing Jones daughter. "The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Harold Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater," says DCI Mark Lewis, head of the unit. Some people turn to the murder weapon for answers and suggest that the killer was either an American serviceman who had previously been stationed at Penllergaer or that an American soldier may have sold the gun to the perpetrator in the village. An autopsy later determined that Muriel had been bludgeoned, raped, and shot twice in the chest. Mudgee General Cemetery. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Thank you for sharing this detailed update on Muriels case with the community. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . The Photo Request has been fulfilled. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. A different D.C.I. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. Thank you for all your assistance in this matter, the information you have provided has proved to be very helpful. I hope Margaret gets the answers she deserves sooner rather than later. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. It was the 75th anniversary this year, and still we are no nearer to finding her killer. Hi Neil If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. Her mother was in the kitchen and . The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. Something went wrong, please try again later. Neil. From the statements of the day it appeared her mum was making a pot of tea and looked out the window and actually saw Muriel about 500 yards away coming up the track towards the farmhouse. Thank you so much for this detailed update. He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. The case became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. The Crime Review Group already have the information that I request. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. Hi Christine. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: This was no spur of the moment event. Interesting insights! He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". Murder. "I have spoken to Muriel's family and bring them up to date with the latest details of this investigation. The hardest part then was actually finding the materials," he told the documentary. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. This forensic approach is becoming more common. She was shot twice in the chest. ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). I received the following letter from D.C. Paul Rogers on 6 December 2007. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. from Ron Harries and his cousin and from Muriels coat and yet are not releasing the results of the tests. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? The True Crime Files First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. The savage nature of the attack stands out from other rapes. Like you I hope there is justice one day for Muriel but sadly as more and more time passes I worry that becomes less likely. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? Its her birthday tomorrow, and still no closer to finding her killer. Hi Neil. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. In 2007 whilst researching for my 2008 True Crime book Every Mothers Nightmare Abertillery in Mourning, which dealt with the murders of two Abertillery school-girls in 1921, I received a surprise visit from Victor Penaluna, a cousin of the second Abertillery victim Florence Little aged 11. Her body was eventually found in a nearby lane, but it was the discovery of her handkerchief in the shops shed which saw Jones accused and stand trial for her death. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. Trump rages at Mark Zuckerberg amid claims group linked to Facebook boss gave $2 million to Georgia elections board - and says Dems are 'trying to steal a SECOND election'. [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. Can you explain please. However, what happened to Jones once he left Wandsworth jail in December 1941, aged 35, remains a mystery. "My grandparents changed completely. "It does make you think that Muriel Drinkwater (who passed her 11-Plus to get into grammar school) is the sort of girl he would have been interested in. A brother, nephew, grandson. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. Hi Neil. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. [9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. Something went wrong, please try again later. She was buried at St David's Church in Penllergaer. Two days later, police found one of the murder weapons, a World War I-era Colt .45 pistol. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . Would you be able to tell me please if Harries has been cleared of Muriels murder as well. They never recovered. Learn more about managing a memorial . She was sexually assaulted and strangled and last seen with an American soldier. I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. Great questions! But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. [8][4], In 2003, detectives re-opened the case in the hope of finding DNA evidence on the gun, but were not successful as too many people had handled the weapon. OnJune 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school inPenllergaer, Swansea. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer, "Secrecy over 1940 murder as DNA offers new leads", "The unsolved murder of a 12-year-old brutally abused and killed", "Serial Slaying of Pretty Women Has New Scotland Yard Confused", "Detectives link Muriel Drinkwater and Sheila Martin murders", "The chilling tale of a man who bludgeoned his relatives to death with a hammer and paid the ultimate price", "The unsolved murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater and the new suspect identified", "Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Muriel_Drinkwater&oldid=1138738141, This page was last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11. Harries bludgeoned two of his relatives to death with a hammer when they wouldn't let him borrow their car. Advertisement. On June 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea. There are far too many retired people out there who want to write books about unsolved murders, trawling through these records and coming up with half-baked theories.. And please do not forget tosubscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. A 73-year-old sample semen has conclusively disproved the theory Harold Jones was the killer of 12-year-old schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. You can Google ones in your area or check out Twitter (but I recommend checking their credentials). We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Muriel Drinkwater Muriel Drinkwater (born 1906) Jump to: Bio graphy Family Photos Comments Obit uary. The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Hi Neil. [18] The public can no longer access the Drinkwater files by Freedom of Information Act requests or in person at the archives office in Kew. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near Hi Neil. Heres hoping one day soon Muriel gets some semblance of justice. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. In the programme, former Dyfed Powys chief constable Jackie Roberts travelled to met him and he told her how his grandparents (Muriel's parents) had changed after the murder. Another witness came forward to tell the team that Ronnie Harries had worked on a farm in Penllergaer, evidence that was supported from a newspaper cutting at the time. People had forgotten it was there. 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Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Read about our approach to external linking. Just put my name in Facebook bar. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Video, 00:01:00, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. Former Detective Inspector Paul Bethell, who was in charge of South Wales Police's cold case team, explained in the documentary: "We know Muriel used to catch the school bus from the school to the gateway off the main road which led to the forestry, and then she would walk about a mile through the forestry, along the lane to the farmhouse.". [11] Hoyles, who saw Drinkwater after buying eggs at her parents' farm, was cleared by the DNA evidence. Thank you for the update. Wife of James Anthony Drinkwater and mother to Carole Suzanne, Stephen Mark, Simon Anthony and Russell John Drinkwater. It was tracked down to a store room, in a current police station, in a very dark corner. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. ", * Dark Land: Hunting the Killers is on BBC iPlayer, School friends at the grave of Muriel Drinkwater, whose murder in 1946 remains one of the most horrifying in Welsh history. The gun was described as aColt 45 American army issue automatic pistol, first issued for World War I but probably also used in World War II, which significantly had the original wooden stocks next to the grip modernised with perspex.. Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. And shockingly the reply was that the information I requested was in written format and would take at least 16 hours at a cost of more than 450 to supply and my request was denied. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/crime/prison-inmate-accused-42-year-old-homicide-in-dixon-area/103-535ec3ad-2aa1-4d10-94a7-aafe4f6081ff, We are thrilled to announce that remains discovered in 2017 in Sanford, Maine at a building site have been identified. Video, 00:01:00View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! There were soldiers still in the area after the war and they used to train in Penllergaer woods. Forensic scientist Dr Colin Dark said that the stain had been found on the lower flap of Muriel's coat. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Thanks again! Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). 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